Guitar control for TJ instruments?

Is there any way to have direct guitar input control the TJ instruments? I like the mic input control feature on the new v2.0 and have tried playing guitar thru the mic to play TJ's instruments. This works OK and is very cool, but could a Apogee Jam connected guitar be made to somehow work as input to trigger the TJ arsenal?
What about using the Alesis iODock....any better possibilities there?
I have a Roland guitar synth now and hoping TJ could possibly get close to doing something similar.

hi, i'm using a Apogee One

hi, i'm using a Apogee One (for ipad an mac) to connect my guitar to my ipad thru the USB camera connector. I'm very interested in the pitch recognition function of TJ.
I've managed to trigger the instruments via the built-in mic of the Apogee One using my voice, but when i swith to the guitar input I don't get any sound. Adjusting the input level of the instrument input on the Apogee One has no effect...
Are there any settings in TJ i should enable in order to get this work?

you can also use ThumbJam as

you can also use ThumbJam as a MIDI Controller to a virtual lead guitar instrument as well.
I found that Nexus2 has an expansion on guitars and this one lead works great with it, not to mention that ThumbJam works great as a MIDI Controller to any other virtual instrument as well.
It just takes a little practice on your fingers to get ThumbJam controlled the way you want it.

Here's something I did using ThumbJam for a guitar lead in Nexus 2

For all you guitar players

For all you guitar players who love TJ as I do...I highly recommend the YRG (You Rock Guitar) for use as a Midi controller for TJ instruments. Record your favorite loops with TJ instruments while playing guitar.
It is now available at Guitar Center (and even Target) and it's inexpensive too! They just came out with a 2nd Generation model ($249) but you can still pick up the first gen models on eBay for about $100.
Having tons of creative fun with this guitar/TJ looping combo!!!

Okay I spent about 3 hours

Okay I spent about 3 hours last night playing my bass through Apogee Jam using Thumb Jam instruments as well as hearing my jazz bass tone behind it. I am mind blown and is too much fun!!! One thing I noticed is that on my bass I can only get the synth notes to react from the C on the A string upward to the G string. From the C position on the E string downward no reaction as well. Is there any settings I can tweak to make these notes react???

The other thing is that it doesn't recognize more that one note at a time. If I play chords no reaction until one of the notes dominates.

I was playing a fretless jazz through it and TJ follows my slides as well!!! Sweet!!!

I noticed some latency using

I noticed some latency using a regular electric guitar with Apogee Jam interface, but not much. The output is monophonic only. With the You Rock Guitar midi controller there is really no latency and it is polyphonic.
It has really been working great with ThumbJam!

a little

a little video:
but my guitareplayer will not wanna used it, the latency is to high, he said.
you can here/see it if you here/see the sound of the guitare & the playing sound of the sample...
nice day

Update: my You Rock Guitar is

Update: my You Rock Guitar is working perfectly as a guitar MIDI controller for all ThumbJam's instruments! Finally got it connected and configured properly thru CoreMIDI and works great! Recorded a few TJ loops with ease; the TJ synth sounds are particularly nice since the YRG fingerboard can be set-up as velocity sensitive; something guitar players could never accomplish with a guitar before. TJ and YRG are a winning combination for us "keyboard-challenged" musicians.

I tried using JamUp interface

I tried using JamUp interface and it was ok...Tenor Sax sounds the best i think.
Had to fiddle witht the thresholds a bit to get some sound but still very sensitive at times and also picks up some other sounds.

If TJ can improve this then it will be AWESOME..

Maybe need more parameters to fine tune the input so that tracking can be done in a better fashion.
On a similar note , i have yonacs Shredder and its ...well...woeful at this point.
I enjoyed using TJ in this fashion much more !!!

Hope to see some more improvements or tracking reliability from TJ when using audio input and then using guitar or other instruments would be awesome !!
Maybe there are crazy algorithms that would could be used here. ;-)


Also tried killing TJ and

Also tried killing TJ and then restarting with device already connected...still no luck.
Besides switching Core midi on in Options, should all the other midi Send options be switched on also?

Yes, it worked with the iPad

Yes, it worked with the iPad version of GB - just plugged it in (with camera connection kit) and GB recognized it immediately with no other action required.
I tried your exact sequence for TJ and still no luck. No sound. Device does not show up in the MIDI input options, even when started after TJ was already running. Any other suggestions to check?

You need to go to TJ's

You need to go to TJ's Prefs->Midi Control , turn Use CoreMidi to ON, then scroll down and find the MIDI Input Connections and you should see an entry there for it, which you need to turn on. If you don't see an entry, try killing TJ and starting it again while the usb device is plugged in to your ipad.

I haven't tried it with that device, but the above are the general instructions for getting external USB midi devices talking.....
Just to be clear, you got it working with the iPad version of garageband, right?

I just purchased the You Rock

I just purchased the You Rock Guitar, an new, inexpensive guitar midi controller...

Has anyone used one of these to control TJ instruments via TJ's core midi options?
Works great with controlling GarageBand instruments and hoping will work with TJ but I hooked it up to TJ but was unable to get any sound or instrument control...any ideas what I may be doing wrong?

You might have guessed that

You might have guessed that extracting polyphonic pitch info from an audio stream is a pretty big leap from monophonic, especially with decent accuracy. I know that TC electronics has their Polytune (hardware stompbox and iphone app), but that is probably a cheat because they are listening for specific pitches (the 6 strings, however you have it configured) and can take some interesting shortcuts.

So, unless I stumble upon some way to do it that doesn't break the CPU processing bank, I don't think I'll be pursuing it in the near future. You never know, though!

This is why all the real midi guitar tech does things on a per-string basis.

The ability for guitar

The ability for guitar players to control & record the arsenal of great-sounding TJ instruments is HUGE!
works great with Apogee Jam interface and the iO Dock. Like a Roland guitar synth for a fraction of the cost!

Only thing missing is polyphonic input...Jesse, is this possible in future upgrades?

I spent some time with my

I spent some time with my guitar plugged into an Apogee Jam interface into iPad. With TJ's mic input control enabled I was able to play (and record) all of the TJ instruments! Check it out!

This is a great feature for guitar players. Some instruments respond better that others and I had some problems that forced a reboot. Strings and synth sounds play great...low latency. Had some squeals and noises pn some sounds, playing with Threshold and Glide controls to tweak each sound helps.
Interestingly, when set to a non-chromatic scale, notes played on guitar that are not within chosen scale are not played...they default to closest in-scale note. bad notes!

Jesse, if there's any way to change the mic input to be polyphonic that would be great!

Newstech, have you made sure

Newstech, have you made sure "the pitch tracking feature", icon like a set of steps, is set to the "diagonal" line? This stops pitch correction so sounds the notes you are playing, if that makes sense. Also, play single notes cleanly and don't let other strings "ring". Higher output pickups, ie humbuckers, at full volume, seem to work best.

Oh, so close! Having some

Oh, so close! Having some luck with iRig and a cheapo electric guitar. Lots of weird squeals at ends of notes. Sometimes strong latency. but I did have a nice thing going with the violin for a bit. Jesse, if you could tweak this some more you'd have quite a selling point. I'm wondering if it would work any better with the synth engine hypothetically disabled and the MIDI output sent to a synth. I'd love to hear any settings tips. or instance, I seemed to have the best results with the guitar's volume set pretty high and then playing with the threshold control.

I have an Apogee Jam and have

I have an Apogee Jam and have got TJ tracking pretty well with it. I have had a couple of weird things happen though such as losing the sound altogether and the most bizarre one, the headphone jack not working neccessitating a reboot. I don't know why this happened but wonder if it is a little unstable to use with the Jam? I will try it out again and report back if the stability issue returns.

Yeah, the mic input control

Yeah, the mic input control mode is monophonic only, as you discovered, and currently is better suited for voice or wind instrument input, rather than something with a sharp transient. It also can be a little twitchy, but I decided that quick response was more important than a totally smoothed one. I may add a smoothing/averaging control to let you tweak that as well.... it just won't track as fast.

As for recording your guitar, you just need to do a Mic Record, and it should take the input from your ampkit connector.

I was playing around with TJ

I was playing around with TJ myself while trying to record guitar with a loop with my guitar with Ampkit connector and I thought I was hearing things, but it was playing the instruments.
I have a Roland Gr-55 and was really surprised I was able to track with the TJ without a 13 pin pickup!
Still trying to figure out how to record the guitar but I can just paste the loop into something else.
I liked being able to paste my drums into a loop as well.

Maybe some advice on how to get a little better tracking would be nice. This feature alone would have got me to buy the TJ and I did not know it was there!
I can only play one note at a time cleanly, but I like to fake bass sometimes and this will really come in handy with my 2 man band!



I have been mucking about for

I have been mucking about for the last hour using an iRig for guitar input into TJ to trigger samples. Fantastic, I now have a guitar synth!!
Wonderfull app Jesse!

They should in theory work,

They should in theory work, as iOS usually automatically picks the input that is used, but as I don't have either the Apogee Jam, or ioDock, I can't say exactly. When I've tried it with the edirol UA-1ex USB audio device and the camera connection kit on an ipad the input and output works fine.

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